[Nix-dev] Improving the Developer Experience in the Nix Community

[Shea Levy]

On Jun 26, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Marc Weber <marco-oweber at gmx.de> wrote:

> :) I've been at that point (wanting to fork) in the past as well.
> But I couldn't afford the costs. And I also don't think it will benefit
> us all splitting the community. I tried to solve the most urgent issues
> (patch submitting) by setting up gists and hope you all start using it
> so that we can give it a try.

Thanks for that. I'll try to find some time to look at it later.

> It should be fastest because you don't
> even have to use a web interface - just git fetch should be enough to
> understand somewhat what's going on.
> 
> In my case it was me needing parallel builds - and not being able to
> submit patches caused me to keep local ones (rendering me unable to use
> hydras binaries)...
> 
> Currently I'd like to understand the real issues / differences and
> forces and ways to collaborate before joining/ causing a fork blindly.
> 

I agree. That's why I'm hoping people will come out and explicitly describe their concerns.

> In any case having something such as "hydra" is vital. So currently
> there is no choice (talking about me).
> 
>>    b) Those who propose alternatives need to be willing to step up
>>    and do the work necessary to implement those alternatives
>>    themselves. For example, if you think too many emails to the list
>>    get dropped with no response, you need to be willing to respond to
>>    as many of the emails as possible.
> About my python branches: You're right. It should be still me proofing
> why my branch fixes some problems.. I still haven't had time for it.
> 
> About Haskell and Ruby etc - everybody knows that my branches exist - and
> that most code can be found on github - if people are interested they
> can help me test.
> 

About those: I have a thought about how to make your solutions more appealing and possibly get them into nixpkgs, but it will have to wait until either recursive nix ( https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/13 ) is available or Eelco is ready to accept imports from derivation outputs in nixpkgs (which may be made more palatable by https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/31 ).

> Let's not forget that in the end we all compete with ubuntu, apple,
> Microsoft etc - because we all depend on a working system (to run our
> servers or write private mail)
> 
> As always - this is only my view on it.
> 
> Marc Weber
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