[Nix-dev] Open source team messaging: mattermost

[zimbatm]

The issue with these services is that everyone has to install their client.
Then each community thinks this *other* tool is cooler, which obviously
requires another client. And then I need 10 clients running at the same
time, all with different UI and keyboard shortcuts. At least with IRC I've
got a single consistent UI, even if it's crappy and dated.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 at 13:25 Jonn Mostovoy <jm at memorici.de> wrote:

> Tomasz, these all are not valid reasons to split the community.
> There are *no* valid reasons to split the community.
> There is always irccloud engine for people who fail to set a bouncer
> up with an amazing Android application and even more amazing Web UI.
> Besides, you should remember that IRC is simple. It's difficult to get
> IRC wrong, even the distributed part of it. Modern chat applications
> promise a lot, but most of the times do not deliver.
> Gitter is utter garbage (it doesn't work), hipchat doesn't work
> properly, slack is amazing but expensive and proprietary, open source
> slack clones even though luring, seem rather unstable.
>
> And once you have committed to some other platform and moved, say, 70%
> of the community there, forcing the remaining 30% to follow, people
> won't be extremely happy when the platform will turn out to be
> garbage.
> That happened with Russian-speaking Haskell community, they have
> picked Gitter to be the platform and *a lot* of people went inactive
> because it loses messages and is buggy as hell. The dreadful thing is
> — now administration of Russian-speaking Haskell community can't do
> anything about it. It's impossible to move a huge innert mass to
> another chat platform after one was chosen over IRC, so people who are
> left there have no choice but to suffer.
>
> TL;DR:
> IRC isn't modern, but it is stable and its shortcomings can be solved
> *in distributed manner*, or via irccloud; Freenode is a de facto
> standard for serious projects to host IM chats dedicated to those;
> there is no reason to split the community over bikeshedding.
> —
> Kindest regards,
> ¬Σ
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Tomasz Kontusz <tomasz.kontusz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dnia 29 lutego 2016 20:59:06 CET, Arseniy Seroka <ars.seroka at gmail.com>
> napisał(a):
> >>IRC is awesome thing, why do we need to replace it?
> > IRC replacements typically offer:
> > * history
> > * long messages with sane visualisation (like hiding parts of them in
> history until requested) - this greatly reduces the need for pastebins, and
> keeps everything in one place
> > * email notifications
> > * some light styling that works the same for everyone in the channel
> >
> > And all of that is integrated from the start, without the need to setup
> bouncers and looking through history on some other service.
> > Also, IIRC mattermost has a nice visualisation of threads of discussion
> while still keeping the "common channel" feel (but I might be mistaking it
> with other service).
> >
> > As much as I like IRC for being a standardised protocol with many
> clients, it has not aged well. And movements to refresh it (like IRCv3) are
> pretty slow. Also you can't ignore the barrier to entry being much higher
> than for a browser-based chat app.
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