[Nix-dev] Monitoring by default

[Tomasz Czyż]

That's interesting, however I don't think this should be part of
"monitoring" service.

I'm using prometheus daily and I'm following its development and I don't
think it's stable enough (for example backend/storage changes quite often),
and prometheus is far from 1.0 (stable).

I don't agree that something like "monitoring" should be tied to specific
software. I personally like debian-way better than redhat-way ("apache2"
service instead of "httpd" service which is apache or nginx).
So I think I would like to have prometheus service and I would build my
system using those blocks. On that level I can use nixops to make a
"monitoring" service which consists of many other applications (let's say
prometheus + some dashboard + other modules around or I can use totally
different software instead, but still it will be monitoring service).

2016-04-21 21:41 GMT+01:00 Layus <layus.on at gmail.com>:

> I like the idea too.
>
> It seems to me that distributions really lack metrics collection and
> data analysis.
> For example, it would be nice to have automatic gathering of the battery
> usage (charge/discharge/capacity) and an easy access to compiled
> historical data like the capacity loss over the years.
>
> I know this is far less ambitious than what you describe, but it would
> be a great entry point for new users.
> If they like it, they may want to gather wore statistics.
>
> Anyway, I think it makes total sense to have such a feature in NixOS.
>
> -- Layus.
>
> On 20/04/16 11:49, Rok Garbas wrote:
> > +1 for the initiative. i don't believe personally enabling monitoring
> > by default should be the right way to go (since we all use nixos in
> > different contexts), but having a commented instructions in generated
> > configurations.nix would be the way to go.
> >
> > it would be nice if systemd monitoring stuff could be used as well:
> > https://github.com/garbas/dotfiles/blob/master/nixos/rok.nix#L236
> > above line makes systemd-cgtop showing numbers.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Alexei Robyn <shados at shados.net> wrote:
> >> Seems interesting. You mention alerts for "System software too old.",
> but
> >> the only vaguely-universal definition of "too old" I can think of would
> be
> >> "missing security updates", and that's both debatable and an area where
> >> NixOS is currently fairly lacking in infrastructure and tooling.
> >>
> >> Default collection of metrics beyond what is necessary to provide useful
> >> alerts is a bad idea. Alerts have essentially universal usefulness,
> >> statistics less so - they're unnecessary for most desktops and small
> >> servers. At least until you have issues, so of course it'd be nice if
> they
> >> were easy to switch on :p.
> >>
> >> - Alexei
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Svein Ove Aas wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> People who are not interested in reliability or monitoring can stop
> reading
> >> now.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> I've written up a "design doc" (statement of intent?) for how we might
> do
> >> monitoring-by-default. Once I think there is a reasonable level of
> consensus
> >> about how we should do this, I'll go ahead and implement what's in the
> >> document, but I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page first;
> >> especially as I want this to be on by default.
> >>
> >> So I'd like your input. Can you take a look?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Svein Ove Aas
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