[Nix-dev] Is systemd a benefit or a liability?

[Alexander Zubkov]

And do not forget uselessd:
https://wiki.int.qrator.net/wiki/DevOps/Solutions/JuniperIpipBgp
:)

On 10/19/2014 02:21 PM, Shell Turner wrote:
> On 19 October 2014 10:48, Peter Simons <simons at cryp.to> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> If you have systemd installed, then half of your Unix ecosystem is
>> locked into one particular implementation of services that used to be
>> diverse, modular, and replaceable.
>
> I'll note that there's a couple of re-implementations of parts of
> systemd. There's Debian's systemd-shim, and the higher-level
> systembsd. There's also nosh, a small, simpler init system that allows
> for automatically converting some types of systemd unit file to its
> own format, which allows for configurable logging, and a few more
> interesting things.
>
> That's not to disagree with you entirely - I'm no fan of how systemd
> appears to be taking every core service and bringing it under its
> umbrella and forcing them to depend on systemd (udev being a
> particularly irritating one - "Unless the systemd-haters prepare
> another kdbus userspace until then this will effectively also mean
> that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore
> starting at that point").
>
> Shell
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