[Nix-dev] New website

[Wout Mertens]

Shell: why don't you make a mockup or create a pull request:
https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage
Ertugrul: Looks like your wish was granted:
https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/commit/6803987bce4ff4bca1a5482ef25bfa99f4023538


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Shell Turner <cam.turn at gmail.com> wrote:

> So I just had a look at the new NixOS website, and I have a major
> problem with it... I can't find the documentation. And that's as
> someone who already knows what NixOS is and why I'd want to use it.
> Worse, anything about NixOps/etc is hidden away in a menu in the top
> right corner!
>
> I didn't even notice the top bar until I'd gone to look a few more
> times. Why can't we have a Debian-style "places to go" menu on the
> front page, front and centre? https://www.debian.org/
>  Even FreeBSD's
> is better in terms of being able to figure out where to go.
> http://www.freebsd.org/
>
>
> The current front page has a huge amount of fluff, but the call to
> action (get it) is all wrong; nobody downloads new operating systems
> on a whim, they want to see examples of what it would do for them. The
> "getting started" section on the Debian front page goes a long way to
> fixing this.
>
> So basically, what the front page needs is (a) a fairly comprehensive
> and obvious menu of things a user would want from the site, and (b)
> links off to places where a new user can find out more. Probably a
> hook ("NixOS is a Linux distribution which uses a fully declarative
> package manager and integrated configuration management system, making
> system configuration and upgrades painless"), maybe a snippet of a
> configuration.nix showing off how easy it is to set up, say, a simple
> web server or a desktop environment, and maybe a little widget saying
> what the current version is + a couple of titles of the latest news
> articles. I'm not sure the "declarative, reliable, devops-friendly"
> fluff helps anybody.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Shell
>
> On 30 May 2014 14:26, Ertugrul Söylemez <ertesx at gmx.de> wrote:
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I'm looking at the new website with mixed feelings.  Being less static
> is a good idea, so I appreciate the news, blog posts and commits sections.
>  On the other hand it's way uglier and less lucid compared to the old
> website.  These are minor design issues that we can talk about and fix.
> >
> > However, one issue with the new site I would rate as critical:
> >
> > As a good web developer NEVER EVER download anything from external
> servers unless it is necessary, especially not from entities like Google,
> Facebook or Twitter.  If at all, do it server-side.  The new website
> unnecessarily downloads jQuery from the Google servers, not only
> compromising our privacy, but also every NoScript or Ghostery user will be
> told: "This website compromises your privacy!".  And for what?  For a
> dropdown menu?  Come on!  You don't even need JavaScript for that.  CSS
> alone can handle it much nicer.
> >
> > I have managed to keep my browser from sending my browsing habits to
> Google for a long time now.  Indeed, I don't even use Google as a search
> engine (there's DuckDuckGo).  And today my very Linux distribution forces
> me to allow access to Google servers.  That's not going to happen, so
> currently I'm unable to navigate the website at all.  This is the top
> issue, so as kindly as my current anger allows, I'm asking you to fix this
> as soon as possible.  I hope I'm not the only privacy-minded NixOS user.
> >
> > As SPJ once said, avoid success at all costs, because this is what
> happens when you don't.  I'm not sure the old website really needed to be
> replaced, but since it was, please remove the badies and bring back the
> goodies.
> >
> > Also in this case please don't tell me to send a pull request.  This is
> web development!  What would take the original developer five minutes would
> take me hours.
> >
> > By the way, the Hydra frontend has the same issue.
> >
> >
> > Greets,
> > Ertugrul
> >
> > --
> > Ertugrul Söylemez <ertesx at gmx.de>
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